Robert ROBERTS
Birth:
Chr:
10 Dec 1758
Cilcain, Flint, Wales
Death:
31 Aug 1839
Hope, Flint, Wales
Marriage:
11 Nov 1782
Hope, Flint, Wales
Father:
Mother:
Sources:
Family Records
Notes:
BIRTH:
CHRISTENING: F.H.L. Film #275,782, Cilcain Parish Register and Howard S. Bennion's Family notes. " Robt of Hugh Roberts & Mary was baptized 10 Dec 1758."
MARRIAGE: F.H.L. Film #104,791, Hope Parish Records. Also from correspondence from the County Record Office to Helen S. Madsen, dated 2 February 1978.
"11 November 1782, Robert Roberts of Hope, bachelor, son of Hugh Roberts and Mary, his wife of Caerwys and Elizabeth Jones of Hope, spinster, daughter of Richard Jones by Mary, his wife, were married."
DEATH: From County Records Archivist.
"31 August 1839 Robert Roberts of Hope Owen, aged 80, buried."
Taken from the headstone located in the Church yard at Hope Parish Church. Sacred to the memory of Robert Roberts of Hopeowen who died Aug 28 1839 Aged 81. Also Ann, Daughter of the above, died December 25, 1882, aged 86 years. Grave is located on the South side of Hope Parish Church, 18 paces. Opposite semi-circle stone set at the base of the church wall.
BAPTIZED: F.H.L. Film #183,384 EHOUS, p. 235, #11264, & IGI Surname.
ENDOWED: F.H.L. Film #170,544 SGEOR, p. 224, #3824. Not having access to to temple work that Samuel Bennion performed in St. George in 1882 the endowment was repeated 1 Mar 1905 SLAKE. F.H.L. Film #184,097 p.365, #13117.
SEALED TO PARENTS: Archive Records & IGI surname.
SEALED TO SPOUSE: EHOUS Sealing Records, F.H.L.FIlm #183,398, p. 57, Entry #703 The TRS Family File Combined microfishe #180. Grid D 09 lists the following ordinances for Robert Roberts: Bap. 29 Nov 1871 EHOUS, End. 9 Nov 1989 SLAKE and Sealed to Parents 16 Nov. 1989 SLAKE.
GRANDFATHER'S [JOHN BENNION JR.] NOTES ON ROBERTS & JONES FAMILIES.
By Howard Sharp Bennion
The following notes are copied from Grandfather's notes sent to me by Mary D. Brown before I went to Wales for research in 1937. Every time a copy is made there is a chance for error. Grandfather searched carefully the Hawarden register with the aid of the vicar. The notes indicate he did not go to the registers of Flint, Mold, Cilcain and Hope, but interviewed many cousins, copied records they might have and noted down verbal information. It is excellent and authoritatiave data, except as to exact dates. There the parish records should govern.
Great Grandfather was named Hugh Roberts, a native of Cilcern, Mold Parish, Flintshire. Great Grandmother was named Mary Roberts, was of the same place (H.S.B. note: Cilcern is Cilcain, pronounced Kilken, and spelled in past Kilken, Cilcen, or Cilcain. Near Mold but an independent parish as far back as the register goes - 1577 A.D.)
Great Grandfather on the other side, Richard Jones and his wife, Mary, were both of Hope Bowen Township, Hope Parish, Flintshire. (H.S.B. note: should be Hope Owen township - immediately north and east of the village.)
Grandfather Robert Roberts was from Cilcern, Mold Parish, Flintshire. He died August 28, 1839 age 81. [The County Archivist's record states he was buried the 31 August.]
Grandmother Elizabeth Roberts of Hope Parish died 1 May 1839, aged 78. [The County Archivist's Record states she was buried the 16th of May.]
THEIR CHILDREN:
Mary born Dec 28 1784, died 25 January, 1849
John born May 1 1786,
Richard born Feb 5 1788, died 7 or 18 Feb 1850
Elizabeth born Oct 16 1790, died May 1, 1830
Sarah born Feb 2, 1794, died 10 June, 1811, aged 17 years
Ann born July 3, 1797, died 14 April, 1815 [Robert Robert's grave stone states: Also Ann, Daughter of the above, died December 25, 1882, aged 86 years.]
Maria born Feb 8, 1800, died 10 Sept 1831.
Rebecca born Apr 10 1803, died 14 Dec 1835.
Grandfather Roberts had an elder brother John and an younger brother Richard. [H.S.B. notes: Observe that this fits exactly the family I found of Hugh Roberts and Mary Roberts in Cilcain. John was christened 6 Apr 1757, Robert was christened 14 Dec 1758 and Richard was Christened 10 May 1761.]
Grandfather Jones Roberts and a sister Mary and a sister Margaret. Also a brother Robert Jones, his son Richard Jones I saw in Chester. He is a chandler on Bridge Street. [H.S.B. Notes: I found a record of the christening of Mary, daughter of Richard and Mary Jones of Hope Owen Township in the Hope Parish register, dated 18 Jan 1761. The register needs searching for records of the other children. Observe that the previous note says Elizabeth Jones Roberts died May 16 1839 aged 78 years. This would have her born in 1761. Stated ages at death are not as dependable as recorded christening dates, but a question is raised that needs to be cleared up.
From Grandfather's notes we know that she was the daughter of Richard and Mary Jones and her three brothers and sisters are named. I found no marriage record of Richard and Mary but Grandfather John Bennion said they were both of Hope Bowen (Owen) Township. I found a Mary Jones born in Hope Owen Township 18 Jan 1741. I found a Mary Jones born in Hope Owen Township, but two were born in Hope village (1734 and 1735) and one was born in 1735 in Ewchymynydda-Issa Township just across the road from Hope Owen township. Their families could later have moved into Hope Owen, though there was not much moving about in those days. The matter calls for more study. I assumed that full records on the Jones family were had in Salt Lake and concentrated much of my time on pushing the connections farther back in the records.]
Family of Uncle Richard Roberts. He died Feb 18 1850. Sarah Griffiths Roberts, his wife, died July 17 1852.
THEIR FAMILY:
Mary born Dec 20 1816
John born Feb 19 1818
Robert born July 11 1820
Richard Jr. born Dec 5 1821
Fanny born July 28 1822
Sarah Roberts born Aug 10 1824
Aunt Ann Roberts Edwards had one daughter born on or about the year 1830 or was 6 months old when Aunt Maria died. [This would make her birthdate in March 1831. [H.S.B. note: evidently this was Elizabeth.]
Maria Roberts Taylor died in Mold Parish. Her daughter, Mary Taylor, lives in Hawarden, is 29 years of age [means she was born in 1844 - H.S.B.] Thomas Taylor is a butcher in Chester. John Taylor is a laborer in Shotten.
Rebecca Roberts Purcell died in Birkenhead.
Edward Edwards and family was born at Gresford in the year 1796. (Note: Gresford in Denbighshire, 3 1/2 miles southeast of Hope.)
Ann Roberts Edwards born July 3, 1797.
His first wife (Edward Edwards?) was Elizabeth Griffith.
Thomas Grifith Edward died Oct 1844 age 50 (Note: date or age must be wrong. H.S.B.)
Edward
William age 44
Peter age 39
Samuel age 37
Elizabeth
(H.S.B. deduction: Edward Edwards married Elizabeth Griffith about 1821 or 1823. Elizabeth died about 1824. Thomas G. Edwards born about 1822 or 1824. Edward Edwards married Ann Roberts about 1825. Edward born 1826, William born 1828, Elizabeth borh 1831, Peter born 1833 and Samuel born 1835.
My grandmother's sister, Margaret Jones Griffiths, born at Rhosay Brunah, Hope in 1760, d. in 1847.
THEIR CHILDREN:
Ann born Dec 1787
Mary died Aug. 1872 age 79 (born 1793, H.S.B.)
Elizabeth Griffiths Edward born
Peter born Dec 16, 1799
Hannah born March 1803
(Note: Grandfather's [John Bennion] notes also list the children of several of his Roberts and Jones cousins. I have copied the families of gr. grandparents, grandparents and uncles and aunts. H.S.B.)
Elizabeth JONES
Birth:
Chr:
19 Aug 1759
Hope, Flint, Wales
Burial:
16 May 1839
Hope, Flint, Wales
Father:
Mother:
Notes:
CHRISTENING: Hope Parish Records, F.H.L.Film #104,791 and from the County Archivist's records, correspondence to Helen S. Madsen, 2 February, 1978. "Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Jones by Mary, his wife of Hope Owen, was christened." Also Hope Parish Records, 942..935\H5 Vol. 2,pt.3, p6.
MARRIAGE: Hope Parish Records, F.H.L.Film #104,791. "11 November 1782 Robert Roberts of Hope, bachelor, son of Hugh Roberts and Mary, his wife of Caerwys and Elizabeth Jones of Hope, spinster, daughter of Richard Jones by Mary, his wife, were married.
DEATH: Hope Parish Records, F.H.L.Film #104,791.
"16 May 1839 Elizabeth Roberts of Hope Owen, aged 78, buried.
From the grave stone in the Church yard in Hope Parish Church: Sacred to the memory of Elizabeth, wife of Robt Roberts, Hope Owen, who was buried May 16 1839 Aged 78, Grave is located on the South side of Hope Parish Church, 18 paces. Opposite semi-circle tone set at the base of the church wall.
BAPTIZED: F.H.L.Film #183,384 EHOUS, p.235, #11272. Baptized as Elizabeth Roberts. Elizabeth was baptized again 3 June, 1978, IGI G0114 1988 Wales Flint 1988, p.258 listed as Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Jones and Mary, Flint, Hope, Owen, born 19 Aug 1759.s
ENDOWED: F.H.L.Film #170,544 SGEOR, p.226, #3864. Endowed as Elizabeth Jones Roberts.
SEALED TO PARENTS: IGI 1992 Wales Flint D0165 p.328 given name, then sealed again on all of the above dates and references.
SEALED TO SPOUSE: F.H.L. Film #183,398 EHOUS, p.57, #703. & Internet IGI.
Children
Marriage
1
Mary ROBERTS
Birth:
23 Dec 1782
Hope, Flint, Wales
Death:
25 Jan 1849
Marr:
Notes:
BIRTH: "1 January 1783 Mary, daughter of Robert Roberts, labourer and Elizabeth, his wife, formerly Jones of Hope Owen was christened (born 23 December 1782)."
BAPTIZED: F.H.L. Film #183,431 SLAKE, p.5, #162.
ENDOWED: F.H.L. Film #184,096 SLAKE, p.255, #9161.
BAPTISED, ENDOWED & SEALED TO PARENTS: Computer IGI.
2
John ROBERTS
Birth:
25 Apr 1785
Hope, Flint, Wales
Death:
Marr:
Notes:
BIRTH & CHRISTENING: F.H.L. Film #104,791 and correspondence from County Record Archivist. "John son of Robert Roberts of Hope Owen and Elizabeth his wife, formerly Elizabeth Jones of Hope Owen, born 25 Apr and baptized 1 May 1785."
BAPTIZED: F.H.L. Film #183,431 SLAKE, p.429, #15,416.
ENDOWED: F.H.L. Film #184,296 SLAKE, p.77, #1735.
BAPTIZED, ENDOWED & SEALED TO PARENTS: IGI 1992 Wales Flint D0166 p. 672, given name.
SEALED TO PARENTS: Comuper IGI.
3
Birth:
19 Feb 1788
Hope, Flint, Wales
Death:
18 Feb 1850
Notes:
BIRTH: F.H.L. Film # 104,791 and Correspondence From County Record Archivist to Helen S. Madsen: Richard, son of Robert Roberts of Hopeowen Labourer and Elizabeth, his wife, formerly Jones of Hopeowen, born 19 February, baptized 2 March, 1788.
MARRIAGE: "Richard Roberts of this parish and Sara Evans of this parish were married in this Church by Banns Jan 28, 1815. X of John Roberts. This is the only marriage of a Richard Roberts in 1815. The early family group sheet says the wife's name was Sarah Griffith.
DEATH: Have two dates, 7 and 18 of February 1850.
BAPTIZED: F.H.L. Film #183,431 SLAKE, p.429, #15,417. & Computer IGI.
ENDOWNED: F.H.L. Film #184,138 SLAKE, p.987, #29069. & Computer IGI.
SEALED TO PARENTS: IGI 1992 Wales Flints D0167 p.1,099 given name. & Computer IGI.
SEALED TO SPOUSE: Computer IGI.
4
Birth:
16 Oct 1790
Hope, Flint, Wales
Death:
1 May 1830
Moor, Hawarden, Flint, Wales
Notes:
BIRTH, CHRISTENING & MARRIAGE: F.H.L. Film #104,791, Hope Parish Records. Also, Correspondence from County Record Archvist to Helen Madsen, dated 2 February, 1978.
Entry from correspondence from County Record Archivist, Clwyd, North Wales: "Elizabeth, dau of Robert Roberts of Hopeowen & Elizabeth his wife, formerly Elizabeth Jones of Hopeowen." Born 16 October, baptized 30 October 1790."
MARRIAGE: Copy of marriage certificate from Cheter Record Office, Chester, Cheshire, England.
DEATH and BURIAL: Hawarden Parish Burial Records, F.H.L. Film #944,005, p184, #1469.
"Elizabeth, wife of John Bennion, Small Farmer, Moor. Also John Bennion Sr.'s history writen by Samuel Bennion, The Bennion Family of Utah, Vo,. II, p. 249.
BAPTISM: F.H.L.Flim #183,384 EHOUS, p. 235, #11,274.
ENDOWED: F.H.L. Film 170,544 SGEOR, p.224, #3830.
SEALED TO PARENTS: F.H.L. Film #1239619 SLAKE, p.144, #4566.
SEALED TO SPOUSE: F.H.L. Film #183,39 EH, p.57, #705. Sealed again 1 Mar 1882, F.H.L. Film #170,597 SGEOR, p. 410, #11049.
". . .He [John Bennion] was married on the 14th of September 1811 [actually was 18 Sept 1813] at St. Mary's Church, Chester, to Elizabeth Roberts who was one of seven children, namely: John, Richard, Elizabeth, Sarah, Ann, Maria, and Rebecca. . . .
"While my mother [Elizabeth Roberts] had her health they increased in property so that when she was taken sick in the year 1823 of the dropsy, which sickness increased upon her. Also a few months before her death she had a stroke of palsy by which she lost the use of one side so that she had to be carried about in a chair. Her affliction increased until on May 1, 1830, she departed this life and was buried in the same grave with my grandfather and grandmother Bennion in Hawarden Churchyard. She raised four children, Mary, born at Moor Lane 25th of August, 1817; Samuel, born at Moor Lane December 11, 1818; John, born at Moor Lane July 9, 1820; Elizabeth, born at Moor Lane January 10, 1822. At the death of mother my sisters became housekeepers for father, which part they performed up till my father left for Amercia." John Bennion, Jr., History John Bennion, by himself, Bennion Family of Utah, Vol. 2, p. 250.
5
Sarah ROBERTS
Birth:
11 Feb 1794
Hope, Flint, Wales
Death:
10 Jun 1811
Marr:
Notes:
F.H.L. Film #104,791, Hope Parish Records and correspondence from County Record Archivist to Helen S. Madsen "Sarah, dau of Robert Roberts of Hope Owen, Lab & and Elizabeth, his wife, formerly Eliza. Jones of Hopeowen."
DEATH: 10 June, 1811, aged 17 years ************
BAPTIZED: F.H.L. Film #183,431 SLAKE, p.5, #163.
ENDOWNED: F.H.L. Film #184,096 SLAKE, p. 275, #9882.
SEALED TO PARENTS: IGI 1992 Wales Flints D0167 p.1201, Given Name.
6
Birth:
3 Jul 1797
Hope, Flint, Wales
Death:
25 Dec 1882
Hope, Flint, Wales
Notes:
BIRTH, CHRIStENING: F.H.L. Film #104, 791, Hope Parish Records and Correspondence from County Record Archivist to Helen S. Madsen: "Anne, dau of Robert Roberts of Hope Owen & Elizabeth his wife, formerly Elizabeth Jones of Hope Owen" Born 3 July, baptized 30 July 1797."
MARRIAGE: F.H.L. Film #104, 791, Hope Parish Records
DEATH: On Robert Robert's tombstone in Hope Parish Churchyard] Also Ann, Daughter of the above [Robert R oberts], died December 25, 1882, aged 86 years. She was buried in the same grave as her father. Grave is located on the South side of Hope Parish Church, 18 paces. Oppositesemi-circle tone set at the base of the church wall.
BAPTIZED: F.H.L. Film #183,431 SLAKE, p.5, #164.
ENDOWNED: F.H.L. Film 184,096 SLAKE, p.280, #10067.
SEALED TO PARENTS: IGI 1992 Wales Flint D0165 p.44 given name.
NOTE: "Aunt Ann Roberts Edwards had one daughter born on or about the year 1830 or was 6 mo. old when Aunt Maria died "This would make her birthdate in Mar 1831." HSB Evidently this was Elizabeth.
7
Birth:
8 Feb 1799
Hope, Flint, Wales
Death:
10 Sep 1831
Mold, Flint, Wales
Notes:
BIRTH & CHRISTENED: Hope Parish Records, F.H.L. Film #104,791 and correspondence From County Record Archivist to Helen S. Madsen: "Maria, dau of Robert Roberts, of Hope Owen & Elizabeth his wife, formerly Elizabeth Jones of Hope Owen."
MARRIAGE: F.H.L. Film #104,814, Mold Parish Register. James Taylor of this parish and at Hendrebiffa, a bachelor, and Maria Roberts of this parish at Mold, Spinster, were married at this Church by Banns 8 May 1823.
DEATH: F.H.L. Film # 104,791 Hope Parish Records.
" Buried Parish of Mold Oct. 11 Age 30." Her daughter Mary Taylor lives in Hawarden (12?)*** 29 years of age (means she was born in 1824) Howard S.Bennion. Thomas Taylor was a butcher in Chester. John Taylor was a laborer in Shotton Chester.
BAPTIZED: F.H.L. Film #183,383 EHOUS. p.235, #11,275, Also baptized again 8 Dec 1903, F.H.L. Film #183,431 SLAKE, p.5, #165.
ENDOWNED: F.H.L. Film #170,544 SGEOR, p.226, #3859. Endowed again 17 Sep 1903 F.H.L. Film #184,096, p.378, #13579, and again 30 Mar 1904, F.H.L. Film #184,096, p.378, #13579.
SEALED TO PARENTS: IGI 1992 Wales Flint D0166 p. 883, given name.
SEALED TO OWN SPOUSE: Computer IGI.
Maria married James Taylor but for some reason was sealed to John Bennion 3 March 1882 in the St. George Temple, Film #170,597 SGEORG Sealings, p. 410, #11050, the same time John Bennion was sealed to Elizabeth Roberts, same film and p. number, Entry #11,049.
SEALED TO SPOUSE: F.H.L. Film #170,597 SGEOR, p.410, #11050, to John Bennion instead of her own spouse.
8
Birth:
10 Apr 1803
Hope, Flint, Wales
Death:
Notes:
BIRTH & CHRISTENING: Hope Parish Records F.H.L. Film #104,791 and correspondence from County Record Archivist to Helen S. Madsen. "Rebecca, dau of Robert Roberts of Hopeowen & Elizabeth his wife, formerly Eliz Jones of Hopeowen, Born 10 April, baptized 1 May 1803."
MARRIAGE:
DEATH: Early Family Group Sheet. Birkenhead Parish Records unobtainable at this time.
BAPTIZED: F.H.L. Film #170,854 SGEOR p.80, Again 8 Dec 1903 F.H.L. Film #183,431 SLAKE, p.5,#166.
ENDOWNED: F.H.L. Film #170,544 SGEOR, p.230, #3912.
SEALED TO PARENTS: IGI G0115 1988 p.878 Flints Wales Given Name
SEALED TO SPOUSE: (Mr. Purcell - Richard) Family File card in possession of Helen Sharp Madsen. Rebecca Roberts was sealed to Edward Bushell the 3rd of March, 1882 in the St. George Temple, Film #170,597, p.410, #11,067.
Thur 10 Aprl 1856 I was hunting oxen and did not find Saml R getting up the horse I fnished a letter writte to my Aunt Mrs. Purcell of Sutton, Cheshire. (John Bennion Jr.'s Journal, Vol. 3, p29.)
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Robert Roberts - Elizabeth Jones
Robert Roberts
was christened at Cilcain, Flint, Wales 10 Dec 1758.
His parents were Hugh Roberts and Mary Roberts.
He married Elizabeth Jones 11 Nov 1782 at Hope, Flint, Wales . Elizabeth Jones was christened at Hope, Flint, Wales 19 Aug 1759 daughter of Richard Jones and Mary Pritchard .
They were the parents of 8
children:
Mary Roberts
born 23 Dec 1782.
John Roberts
born 25 Apr 1785.
Richard Roberts
born 19 Feb 1788.
Elizabeth Roberts
born 16 Oct 1790.
Sarah Roberts
born 11 Feb 1794.
Anne Roberts
born 3 Jul 1797.
Maria Roberts
born 8 Feb 1799.
Rebecca Roberts
born 10 Apr 1803.
Robert Roberts died 31 Aug 1839 at Hope, Flint, Wales .